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Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 08:55 PM

Lets see how lively this site really is:

 

A lot of people want the confederate battle flag and the confederate paraphernalia to be taken off the market. Walmart, Ebay, Amazon, etc have all stopped selling it, mostly in light of the recent church shooting. Were they right for doing so?

 

Is the confederate battle flag really a hatred flag? Or is it exploited? I live in the south. I have lived here all my life and I never viewed the flag that way. I was fortunate enough to voice my opinion with a Belgium new agency yesterday after leaving a store where I purchased three of them. They wanted to know why I was purchasing them. Once I told them, they asked me for a camera interview. I gave it to them....

 

Does this make me a racist after purchasing these flags? Do you believe that I must be linked to the hate groups in this country? Please share your opinions on what you think we should do with these flags.. And if I have caused you to question my character, please feel free to ask me any questions that come to your mind... I will answer because I have my beliefs, and I am strong minded about them.

 


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Posted on Sep 02, 2017 at 07:53 AM

Quoting WildLilac2000:

And, why would anyone be proud of the heritage of enslaving and abusing a race of people?

I would not date or want to be friends with anyone who was proud of that.



The confederate flag, the confederate statues and confederate monuments are not just about slavery - they're symbols of crucial parts of American history. They're not intended to celebration the slave culture of the past, they serve as a reminder of America's painful past as well as many of the Americans that fought and died during the Civil War.  Trying to remove these confederate monuments from public life will not erase or change America's past. 



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Posted on Nov 12, 2016 at 02:14 PM

I am a Southener Born and raised in the FIRST STATE TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION IN SOUTH CAROLINA......and YESSSS we had that awful Church Shooting in Charleston,SC and took the Confederate Battle Flag off the Top of our Statehouse Dome as a RESULT. My Great-Great Grandfather Fought for the Confederacy and I also date AFRICAN-AMERICAN women EXCLUSIVELY. The Confederate Battle Flag doesn't bother me personally, but I do know it DOES BOTHER ALOT OF PEOPLE........and does NOT REPRESENT HERITAGE TO THEM......but rather HATE. It had its time in the South like 100 plus years ago.......and maybe even in the 1960's as a Unjustified Protest to Civil Rights.........but in 2016........its time has come and gone. Having Confederate Flag memoribilia DOES MAKE YOU LOOK DUMB, IGNORANT and Red-Necky. Right or wrong........that is the way it is. I respect my Heritage....but I am tired of my State and the South in General being a Punchline to the Rest of the Nation and the World as a whole. Leave Confederate Flag Memoribilia in Museums where they belong.


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Posted on Oct 27, 2016 at 07:07 PM

That's not at all what its about!


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Posted on Feb 09, 2016 at 07:19 AM

I don'tthink you're necessarily a racist for purchasing the flag, but it IS a racist flag. It's NOT about states' rights, read the Confederate Constitution; Southern states had no more right to opt out of slavery than Northern states did to practice it.

 

And given that a piece of cloth causes REAL suffering to a ton of people, is it really worth it to make ANY strident argument in its defense? Displaying a flag that makes your friends and neighbors feel marginalized on the grounds that it is your right to do so is just predatory; rather than avoiding taking an action you know hurts a lot of people, you are simply doing it because you can; it's a worse version of the same kind of jerkitude that causes stereotypical New Jerseyites to stay on an exercise machine they don't want to use simply because there are other people waiting and getting annoyed, and then belligerantly shouting "IT'S A FREE COUNTRY, BRO!"

 

And regardless of the slavery/racism argument, (and that WAS the ideology the flag was raised in defense of according to both Davis and Forrest), the Confederate Flag is a terrorist  battle flag (not the national confederate flag, a BATTLE flag!) raised to declare one's intent to commit treason against the United States government, and for that reason alone, I believe it is illegal under laws dealing with intent to commit treason. The Confederacy is not part of the legacy of United States history. It is part of the legacy of treason against the United States.


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Posted on Sep 25, 2015 at 01:51 AM

And, why would anyone be proud of the heritage of enslaving and abusing a race of people?

I would not date or want to be friends with anyone who was proud of that.


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Posted on Sep 25, 2015 at 01:49 AM

Way too much to read. That war was about slavery.

Wanting to keep black human beings as slaves to increase their income.

What pride is there in that?

The president did not say that to stir up things.

He said it because he is a black man.

The flag represents the keeping and mistreatment of blacks.

Flhying that flag is a reminder to us, and especially to blacks of those dark days.

It is not something any of us want to think or be reminded about.

That was a shameful time for this country.

That was a terrible misjustice and the misjustice still continues to this day.


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Posted on Jul 11, 2015 at 04:33 PM

2) Some people have decided that the monument at Stone Mountain is offensive and thinks the confederate soldiers should be blasted off the side of it. Again, its part of history. As dark and shameful as it is, you cannot change history! Interesting fact: The southern rebelling flag means so much more than any carving on the side of a mountain. That carving will never change so everyone can rest assured the Rebelling flag will never go away!

 

3) Our president even came out and said the rebelling flags in the southern states need to come down. Thats a statement coming from a man that has no clue what its like to live in the south or what it means for that matter. ~How shameful~ He just wants to grease a squeaky wheel... Squeeky wheels get greased, but the rebelling flag gets stronger and ever more popular as a result. People who would otherwise be neutral are now beginning to fly them!

 

4) The flag is tarnished! It only gets media attention when a hate groupe kills someone in a different race and they are latter found standing in front of one of them. I thought about it and if I should distance myslef from the flag but I know what it means to me.  I stand up for what I believe in. Even if it goes against the grain of others. 

 

You're a southerner through and through but you live in Florida? Florida was a neutral state. Its in the south of the country but its not part of Dixi! And growing up watching the Dukes of Hazard is not a prerequsite for getting connected to the Rebelling flag! Its something you have to grow up in and experience. I cannot pre judge you for not connecting to it and I cannot change your heritage or culture nor would I try. So I do not think its right for anyone to change mine just because they are intimidated by it or simply "Cannot Connect to it"! 

 

Its sad that you would not consider anyone with such inclinations as a potential match for anything because of a flag. Really? All because you do not understand something or you have been taught differently from a very young age. Most people that have, display or fly this flag do it because of the reasons mentioned above. It has nothing to do with skin color. Less than 1% of whites exploit it through hate to promote their agenda and 89% percent of blacks exploit it because they simply hate it or they are intimidated by those that fly it.

 

Flags do not kill people. People kill people. Banning the confederate flag will not stop racism! Or do you think it will? Burn all the flags and people will still hate people. Racism is alive and well in this country and it is here to stay. The choice is yours to not be that way. 

 

 

You don't have to understand anything or connect to it for that matter, just try to respect it. How can you disrespect pride in anything? And to abolish or take something away from someone is to infringe upon their freedom. People fight and die for freedom. The rebelling flag belongs to everyone, white and black people. It is the second strongest flag in the world next to the U.S. flag and should be respected by everyone. You may not believe that we could ever have another civil conflict,  rest assured the flag is alive and well. It will be the chosen flag once again! Why? Because its a Rebelling flag. Not a race flag and it belongs to the people not to a government!


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Posted on Jul 11, 2015 at 03:16 AM

Quoting allycatt982000:

Europa,

 

 

The bigger question is why you and others feel such a connection with a flag that conjures such negative history. The swastika was not invented by Hitler. It predates the Nazi regime by thousands of years, but most would agree that flying it isn't appropriate (regardless of its past history). Given the history of the Confederate flag and what it represents, why do you want to fly it? What does it represent to you? I'm a southerner through and through and have never, ever connected with it.... and I grew up watching the Dukes of Hazzard. 

 

For those that say, "Southern heritage," please explain that to me. I don't see "Northern Heritage" flags. What exactly is southern heritage? Our cuisine? The land? Traditions? 

 

You didn't include your explanation above, so I don't feel comfortable passing judgement, but I definitely wouldn't consider anyone with such inclinations as a potential match for anything.  



Okay, your quote: "Most would agree that flying the flag is isn't appropriate." Are you making that statement based on the opinion of yourself or the circle of friends that you know? The CNN Poll shows this (I loathe CNN) ~ The poll shows that 57% of Americans see the flag more as a symbol of Southern pride than as a symbol of racism, about the same as in 2000 when 59% said they viewed it as a symbol of pride. Opinions of the flag are sharply divided by race, and among whites, views are split by education. So I guess it would be more appropriate to suggest that the white people that fly the flag are perhaps uneducated white people... Its also fair to say that the majority of blacks would agree that flying the flag isn't appropriate, regardless of education. Why do most blacks feel this way? (11% of blacks actually fly this flag and view it as southern pride)

You qouted: Given the history of the confederate flag and what it represents, why do I want to fly it? Well, what does it represent to you? Lets think about that for a moment before I answer that. Maybe it represents racism or slavery to you or perhaps something else negative. To me it represents history that should never be forgotten. My family fought in that war. Most of them died in that war. I am sure some of your family was lost too. A flag is a great way to honor those that have fallen. I can tell you may not agree but I hope you will elaborate.

 

Here's what it means to me and I can tell you the flag means a lot of different things to many different people. It's flown all over the country in all 50 states. To me the flag simply represents the south. In my eyes its not a black and white thing... Its a north and south thing. Hence, the southern pride thing..  I believe it should be flown by everyone as a reminder to "never forget!" When I was younger and growing up it symbolized a lot of things to me, mainly to show the north the flag still fly's even though we lost the war...It was a kid thing though... So that kinda goes back to the southern pride thing as well I suppose..., maybe?

 

Here's the thing: Its a rebelling flag, no one will deny that.  like you said, its known all over the world. It is also the only Rebelling flag in our nations history. And because of that, it will never die! It has become very controversial and when symbols become controversial they become popular and valuable. With that said, we have two flags in this country. Our national flag and our Rebelling flag!

 

 As a rebelling flag, It is sometimes used as a peaceful way to protest against the federal government when ever they pass their federal laws upon us and violate our states rights. It happens all the time. 

 

I do not agree with the racist groups that fly it in their marches and protests. That is exploitation. They should go to jail for that, but hey... Its free speech right? I've never been associated with those types of people and never will be. Most of the people I know fly the flags hanging from their front porches, or on a flag pole in their front yard under the American flag. The image I get from them is this: They wish the south had won the war because they would not be having to live under the laws of our current federal government. So, its another way to protest without ever leaving your home. Its a peaceful way to Rebel because; "Its A Rebelling Flag" thats what rebelling flags are for! So for the life of me, I cannot figure out why more black people will not fly that flag!  The image of the flag is not hatred! It never was. Its the media that promotes that every time a hate group kills a bunch of people that also happens to use it as a catylist to promote their idealism. (Exploitation). The South rebelled, that was their rebelling flag! So it is used as such to this day.

 

Here's a Fact: The civil war was not based on slavery like a lot of people promote today. The primary reason for the Civil War was over States Rights. There were many reasons that led up to it, but it was states rights that brought it on. And here we are yet again having our states rights trampled on once more. So I say again; I cannot understand why more black people will not fly this flag in protest. Its a really good way to make a statement without ever speaking a word! Our first flag is our national flag! It represents our nation but it also represents how our government dictates to us and how we should live. The laws that are passed under it tell us what we can and cannot do.  The Rebelling flag or Confederate flag belongs to the people, It is the second flag of our nation! It represents everyone without prejudice. There are no constraints or laws that are imposed to live under it. It's "The Peoples Flag". It represents pride it represents everyone!!

 

I prefer to call the flag a Rebelling flag because thats what its purpose is and always was. The confederate army used it to rebel but many believe the confederates used it because they believed that black people should always be slaves and should have never been set free. It simply is not true! Sure, slavery was an issue in the war between the states but it was not the cause!  And if you look at the facts; It was not a bunch of southern white people running through the woods waving a confederate flag killing a bunch of black people. It was a bunch of southern white people running through the woods and across battle fields killing other white people. Family against family, brother against brother, uncle against nephew, father against son. How could anyone be so errogant as to think any human being would kill their own family just to keep another group of people beat down or as slaves? The mere thought of it makes you want to read a few books and see why all those people were so divided on their beliefs eh? Well, I did! between 750,000 and 1.1 million people died in just four years fighting for something they believed in at the time. Thats a lot of people. Most of them white people. They were the only people in our history that had the gall to stand up and fight and die for something they believed in. Thats something few of us will risk to this day. So don't they deserve to be called hereos? Do they deserve honor like any other fallen soldier regardles of which side they were fighting for? Who knows what all the reasons were for fighting that war or how you and I would be living today if they had not stood up to a government that had become to big and powerful over its people. There is no telling what law we may be living under now! Maybe things would be a lot different or worse for us all if that war had not happened.... The confederate soldiers deserve the same honor and respect the union soldiers receive! Even General George Washing in the English Army was labeled a traitor and criminal by England. He topped their "Most Wanted List". They wanted him dead. He was only a hereo because we won the Revolutionary war!

 

Your Quote: For those that say, "Southern heritage," please explain that to me. I don't see "Northern Heritage" flags. What exactly is southern heritage? Our cuisine? The land? Traditions? 

 

Southern Heritage has already been explained. Northern Heritage flags? You see it everyday at every federal and state building in the country. You see it at the post office. you see it at banks... Its everywhere... its all over the north and south. The American flag was their battle flag. Or was it?

 

Here's another fact: There were more slaves under the American flag than all the Confederate flags combined! Think about that... So how is it that anyone could not want to change that flag or abolish it? Or does it get redemption because it was the flag that freed the slaves in this country. Whats interesting here is that because the American flag is the flag that freed slaves in our country the purpose of the Rebelling flag could have only been to keep slaves and therefore must have been its primary purpose. Thats pretty shallow minded when almost a million family members killed each other eh? Its scary... It makes me wonder how we ever made it this far as human beings...

 

Here's why I purchased the flags:

1) Our ex-Governor came out and said the flags all need to come down from state buildings because they represent slavery. He also stated the state needs to discontinue Confederate month in Georgia along with the confederate holiday. It goes to show you that educated people are stupid too! They allow their minds to be distorted by the media just like so many others... To discontinue the confederate holiday in Georgia means that he believes the fallen confederate soldiers should have all died, they deserve no honor at all and should never be remembered and that history needs to be erased. How shameful is that? I bought those flags to protest against his white A$$! You cannot change history. You can only fight again to change the future. So he needs to be careful about the statements he makes. He has chosen to distance himself from the flag to promote some political agenda and its not right. To distance yourself from something is okay if you want to do th


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Posted on Jul 09, 2015 at 08:32 AM

Europa,

 

 

I'm still clueless as to your specific interest in the flag. Your reply doesn't really give any details. 


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Posted on Jul 03, 2015 at 01:58 AM

Honestly, I wrote something nice here for you, but my internet timed out and I lost it... I will make this one short. 

 

Heritage: the legacy of physical artifacts and intangible attributes of a group or society: man-made heritage. thats me!

 

Some people do not understand a culture or a cultural trait so they try to change it to fit their agenda. Thats racism.. Its pre~judging..... you dont have to understand a culture to respect it.


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Posted on Jul 01, 2015 at 11:36 PM

Europa,

 

 

The bigger question is why you and others feel such a connection with a flag that conjures such negative history. The swastika was not invented by Hitler. It predates the Nazi regime by thousands of years, but most would agree that flying it isn't appropriate (regardless of its past history). Given the history of the Confederate flag and what it represents, why do you want to fly it? What does it represent to you? I'm a southerner through and through and have never, ever connected with it.... and I grew up watching the Dukes of Hazzard. 

 

For those that say, "Southern heritage," please explain that to me. I don't see "Northern Heritage" flags. What exactly is southern heritage? Our cuisine? The land? Traditions? 

 

You didn't include your explanation above, so I don't feel comfortable passing judgement, but I definitely wouldn't consider anyone with such inclinations as a potential match for anything.  


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